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Poster: BrokenBrick Date: Oct 5, 2004 5:18pm
Forum: etree Subject: Live recording

Simple question, I hope. what is the cheapest and best way to record live shows. I don't have $700+ to blow on a DAT walkman. MD? Mp3 players? Solid state recorders? Throw in your two cents and help me figure out how to get started

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffchops11 Date: Oct 5, 2004 10:05pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

i searched the forum for "tape dat"

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=9258

cheers
ed

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Poster: stevegolfer66 Date: Oct 6, 2004 1:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

Mini-Disc technology has improved with the introduction of Hi-MD. New Hi-MD units that have all the capabilities you'd need run $200 to $300. Hi-MD enables lossless modes of recording onto mini-disc that eliminates forever the concerns people have with ATRAC compression. I agree that there's not much difference between sound quality on ATRAC recording for mid and high frequencies. But there is a difference on low frequencies. Basically, it's the same effect as MP3 recordings...instead of thick and saturated bass, the bass tone gets a little bit garbled and messy.

Regarding Hi-MD, I purchased the Sony MZ-NHF800 in early August and I've been very happy with it. In fact, I wrote a very detailed review on www.epinions.com. I would suggest visiting that website and checking out my review. Just go to the website and search for mz-nhf800 and you'll see what I wrote.

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Poster: BrokenBrick Date: Oct 6, 2004 5:06am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

Thanks. Looks like Hi-MD would be a best-buy for me. This is the mike I have read recommendations about:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00001W0DT/ref=pd_null_recs_e//102-3015550-2988945?v=glance&s=electronics
Not sure how it compares to the AudioTechnica one suggested

This post was modified by BrokenBrick on 2004-10-06 12:06:33

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Poster: fez_43 Date: Oct 6, 2004 1:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

i got into live recording a nember of years initally with a Nakamichi 550, which can be had online for around $125 nowadays. If you have the azimuth adjusted correctly and use the 550 or another Nak deck for playback its nearly impossible to distinguish from digital. Just thought id give another perspective.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgreenone Date: Oct 6, 2004 2:19am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

The only disadvantage of the Hi-MD is that if you record through the digital input, you can't transfer digitally to a computer for editing - it has to go out through one of the analog outputs. If you record through analog in, you can do a digital transfer, though.

The Nomad Jukebox 3 is an option that's gaining in popularity, and can be had for under $200 on the auction site of your choice (they're not sold new anymore, unfortunately).

--Dave

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Poster: BrokenBrick Date: Oct 6, 2004 5:09am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

I looked inot the Nomad Jukebox 3 as well, Not sure what turned me off to it though - I think I was concerned with the fact that MD offeres level adjusting, in the case of Hi-MD it is automatic, whereas I was not sure if the Nomad Jukebox 3 would or not - though it has DSP, I assumed this was only for output and not input.

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Poster: BrokenBrick Date: Oct 6, 2004 5:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

Any chance Sony might release the software soon? I know that this was a problem in the early days of MD players, and it was resolved with the NetMD function.

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Poster: stevegolfer66 Date: Oct 6, 2004 6:00am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

Well, there apparently is some new freeware that's available for pure digital rendering. This is new news to me. I'll have to download it and check it out. Check out the note in red on minidisco's homepage (www.minidisco.com) which says that Sony is promising that the software will be avaialable for free by years end. I wouldn't bank on the software by years end though, so lets hope that the freeware solves the problem.

Regardless of the above though...I don't know. All this talk about the importance of pure digital recordings. I'm not sure that it has alot of merit, although I am 100% confident that I would have a ton of dissenters to my opinion.

First off, I've been doing this live recording thing for years now. That doesn't make me an expert when it comes to techno-babble, but throughout all of these years, I have maintained that if my ears don't hear a difference, then there IS no difference. Even after 10 or more years, I still subscribe to this concept because it's the music that matters to me, not the digi-bits. So, for me, I just don't buy into the concept of getting all bent out of shape if a recording is EAC'ed versus getting the files that are MD5 perfect to the original. I respect that others have that desire, I just don't share it and I reject anyone telling me that I am wrong for my opinions, because dang it, if you can't hear the difference then there really is no difference to me, because I'm after the music and what it does to my soul. A bit perfect copy of a show makes no difference to my ears when it hits my soul versus one that's not!

Having said that, I have been mastering my hi-MD recordings through the analog out process. Do my recordings sound good? Damn right they do? Would they sound better if they were pure digital renderings...well I suppose they might, but not enough to make a difference to my ears...and certainly not enough for it to make a difference in the level of enjoyment I get out of my recordings.

So, in the end, having an analog element in my recordings just doesn't matter all that much to me.

Having said all of this, if I have methods at my disposal that ensure a higher quality recording...of course I'll use them. But I personally wouldn't avoid hi-MD just because there may not be a sanctioned (by Sony) method of making pure digital renderings.

Just my opinion, folks. I know it's a minority opinion on this forum, but so be it.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Oct 6, 2004 7:25am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

So, in the end, having an analog element in my recordings just doesn't matter all that much to me.

Maybe not for a listener experience, but for archival purposes (the other half of this project that often gets forgotten) a bit acurate copy is definitely preferred in this situation.

Should it become easier to create those off of Hi-MD's at some point, a replacement of the analog transfer that might be here already would certainly be preferred.

Same holds true for the EAC generations - for listener experience they usually don't matter, however a bit-accurate transfer of the master is preferred for archival purposes. If you see a show with EAC in the lineage, and you hold the masters, feel free to send us an upgrade.

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Poster: vansabar Date: Oct 6, 2004 12:15pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

www.taperssection.com

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Poster: svenkid Date: Oct 6, 2004 1:29pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recording

eh, dont forget you also need microphones and some kind of pre-amp

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